Thursday, March 26, 2009




Here are a few pictures of me with Richard Cole.
The first one is Richard with Lulu (my dog), and myself at my house around 3 years ago.Then there is one of Richard with my family and me when we visited him a few years ago in jolly old England. The final One is of Richard, my mother and me back in around 1995.

Me with Kenny Aronoff


This is Kenny Aronoff putting me in a headlock backstage at a show at the county fair about 4 years ago. He is one of the nicest musicians I've ever met.

Richard Cole Interview

KING OF THE ROAD

By, Nick Arnold

In the interest of full disclosure and total honesty, I have to admit that the subject of this interview is not a stranger to me. Richard Cole, the infamous, legendary road manager for Led Zeppelin, has known me my entire life. He came to see me at Cedars Sinai in L.A. when I was born. He and my Mom have been close for 23 years (she calls him “Old King Cole”). He met my dad through my mom 16 years ago and now they are good friends, too.

Both my family and Richard moved away from L.A. years ago. He went back to his hometown of London; my family transferred to Minneapolis and then back to the San Diego area… but over the years he has stayed in close touch. I have been privileged to visit him in London a couple of times, including in December, 2007, for the Led Zeppelin reunion concert. He’s also come to see my family numerous times. I asked Richard if he would allow me ask him a few questions about his life and career, and he was kind enough to agree. The following interview was conducted by email and phone calls between California and London in March, 2009.

Nick Arnold: Richard, thank you so much for taking the time to do this interview… I know you don’t like people wasting your time, so I will get right to it. I’m 15, live in the San Diego area, and live for rock music… all of these details might remind you of someone with the same background who came on the road with Zeppelin - Cameron Crowe. What do you remember about Cameron back then? Did you recognize yourself in ALMOST FAMOUS?

Richard Cole: Did I recognize myself? No not really. I was not so tame as the film portrayed! Cameron was a very knowledgeable young man then, and the band and I liked him… so he got to see a little more than other journalists. He was very bright and knew his music.


NA: Like me?

RC: (Laughing) That remains to be seen, young man! But yes, I would say you have that same passion for music. But I doubt your mother would let you go on the road! Certainly not with anyone the likes of me and Zeppelin!

NA: You’re right about that – my Mom would NOT let me do what Cameron did. But at least my parents did let me go with them to see the Zeppelin reunion at the O2 Arena in London in December, 2007. One of the greatest nights of my life. Of course you were there, too… After that concert, you jokingly said that you finally “got what all the fuss was about!” That was the FIRST time ever you were able to experience a concert from the audience and see what the crowd saw. How many shows did you work with Zeppelin?

RC: It must have been in excess of 650 worldwide over 12 years. I went from driving a station wagon with one accompanying truck to a traveling circus, including a private airplane and many semis, limos, security detail. But we still only used a small on-stage road crew: 1 technician per musician.

NA: What was your experience of all those shows from your point of view backstage?

RC: It was a job you just did -- hectic, fun, but with precision: everything was calculated from arrival to departure back to our plane. In the early days we hung out and enjoyed ourselves then went back to our hotel, or clubs. In a way it was more fun before it all got very big and the eyes of the world were on the band.

NA: Are there any specific concerts that really stand out in your memory?



RC: Perhaps Atlanta stands out because of the size of the Braves’ stadium. Also the Bath Festival in 1970 because of the sheer numbers of people present, and of course Boston Tea Party club the first tour. That’s when it became clear the band were going to be enormous.

NA: You have said before that you didn’t get into the music business for the music, but for the girls who were always around and the other “goodies”… but I think you like music more than you admit. Don’t you have a favorite Led Zeppelin song?

RC: Honestly, not really. It all depends on my mood. When I am thinking of the past, different tunes provide my background.

NA: So back to the O2 Arena reunion concert. What did it mean to you?

RC: For me I was able to see what everyone else had been seeing for years: a really spectacular band, perfect music played to the highest standards… quite overwhelming from the front of stage. I was quite proud of my small contribution I made in those twelve years on the road.

NA: OK, well you are being modest there because I know you made more than a small contribution.

RC: No comment. I have learned to be a humble man. I’m just lucky to be alive. (Chuckles).

NA: You went to see Robert’s concert with Alison Krauss in London last year when they toured in support of their “Raising Sand” album. What was your reaction?


RC: I like bluegrass/country so it was a pleasant experience. Robert seemed very comfortable with what he was doing, and it sounded great to me.

NA: Who are some of the other artists you have worked with that you really like or admire?

RC: Ozzy, Black Sabbath, Quireboys, The Who, The Yardbirds. In fact they all had their place in my life at different times. I was pretty happy just being on the road all those years. It was a heady life for a working class kid. I found something I was good at and got to live very well for a long time because of it.

NA: Things have changed a lot since you entered the music business in the 1960s. Any advice for a young person trying to break into the business today?

RC: Don't do it my way! It wouldn’t be tolerated today, all that excess and mayhem! The sixties and early seventies were the wild west days of music. Things certainly did not have the corporate atmosphere of today. Everybody now lives by their laptops and blackberries. I don’t know if there are any more visionaries like Ahmet Ertegun today. I don’t think so. I was lucky to live (and survive!!!) through the truly golden age of rock. It was a great ride and I’m happy just to still be around!

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Kenny Aronoff Interview

THE UPBEAT WARRIOR

By, Nick Arnold

If you happened to catch the pre-inaugural concert for Barack Obama on television, you saw the many stars who gathered to perform for the momentous occasion, coming and going as they performed their songs and speeches on-stage. One man, however, was anchored just below the lip of the stage, in the makeshift orchestra pit, keeping it all flowing: counting off the intros, playing accurately and passionately with a seemingly endless parade of performers. Many viewers probably recognized the smiling man with the shaved head and the rock star sunglasses, perched behind the drum kit, bobbing his head from side to side. Some probably mistook him for David Letterman’s band leader, Paul Shaffer. Others probably knew the face, but could not put a name to it. True fans of rock music placed the face immediately: Kenny Aronoff. He is one of the most renowned percussion players in the industry, a drummer’s drummer, in constant demand as a session player and as a member of countless touring bands.

That freezing day in January at the Lincoln Memorial, Mr. Aronoff was in many ways the real man running the show: keeping the beat and counting off specific timings for between-song set changes. You couldn't miss his face on the TV screen. He was on camera almost as many times as Barack Obama and his family. Pretty exciting stuff, even for a veteran rocker. I recently had the good fortune to be invited to delve into the mind of this man who lives for music and loves his job. I found out that he’s not only always on the beat, but constantly upbeat, as well:

Nick Arnold: I only have an electronic drum kit and I constantly try to get my parents to let me have a real kit. I can’t be in a band without real drums! So far, they’ve refused. They think the neighbors would flip out at the noise. How did you talk your parents into getting you drums? Didn’t they or the neighbors complain about the noise? Where did you find room for your drums?

Kenny Aronoff: If you are in a band I personally think real drums are the way to go. If noise is a factor, electronic drums will make noise also, because you will have to amplify them. Nothing sounds and feels like a real drum kit. Electronic drums are just trying to imitate real drums, but they are great for the noise factor.

I grew up in western Massachusetts, and we had a building on the property we called “the playhouse.” When it was warm I had my drums in the playhouse. I grew up in the country so I could play twenty-four hours a day. My brother and I always had rock bands and we rehearsed in this playhouse. During the winter I set my drums up in the living room, which was far away from the family room. I had to practice before everyone went to bed at night, but they were cool enough to let me do that. I even had band rehearsals in that room. That was wicked loud and everyone just dealt with it. (Smiles) I was very fortunate.

In doing research for this interview, I read that you actually studied classical music and were thinking of playing in orchestras. I never would’ve guessed!

Yes, I did five years of very intense classical training: one year at University of Massachusetts, four years at Indiana University (top three classical schools in the U.S.). I studied one summer at the Aspen Music School and one summer at Tanglewood, where the Boston Symphony Orchestra plays in the summer. I always studied privately on top of that. The summer after my senior year in high school, I was practicing mallets, timpani, snare drum and drum set nine hours a day, seven days a week. I played five nights a week in a jazz trio. I loved it!

What drummers inspired and influenced you most growing up?

The rock drummer who influenced me the most was Mitch Mitchell from the Jimi Hendrix band, because he was a jazz drummer playing rock. That's what I was! I grew up listening to a lot of jazz and playing jazz because that’s what my parents were listening to. Buddy Rich, Elvin Jones, Joe Morrello, Connie Kay, Louie Belson, Philly Joe Jones, etc., etc.

Did your parents support your desire to be a professional musician or did they want you to be doctor or a lawyer – to go into a more “secure” line of work?

My parents totally supported me and I am very grateful for that. Of course they were concerned, but I showed so much desire and determination, combined with a passion to do it. I started doing music for fun, and in my junior year in high school it escalated.

Did you ever consider any other career besides drums or music?

No. I never considered any other career. I am a warrior, workaholic, addicted to being a musician and drummer. This is what makes me happy and I enjoy my life. I am very fortunate to be able to support myself and the important people in my life by playing drums.. Wow! It makes me smile and get excited just to think I am still doing that. I have flown on private jets, been around the world, recorded on some very successful hit records, played for three Presidents, etc., etc., and I still will set my own drum kit up at a sleazy bar to play Led Zeppelin tunes every Friday night, which I do at the Cat Club on Sunset [in Hollywood]. I love it!


What did your parents say when you first started to have success as a drummer?

My parents were very excited.. They were starting to get concerned when I was living in Bloomington, Indiana, playing bars and living in a house with a bunch of wild rock musicians. (Laughs) But when I got into the John Cougar Mellencamp band and they saw me on TV, they were excited. They always supported me, regardless.

How did you first meet John Mellencamp?

I was about to leave Bloomington, Indiana and move to New York City. I was 27 and I was starting to feel like I was not part of the music scene. I was about to leave and someone told me that Johnny Cougar (that was his stage name then) had fired his drummer. I called the guitar player up, and three or four weeks later I got to audition.

I practiced six hours a day and memorized every note on the Johnny Cougar record. I was the first guy to audition out of fifty people and I won. After John heard me play with the band, he went upstairs in his house and called the guitar player to come up. Then the guitar player came down and shook my hand and said, ‘welcome to hell.’ Wow! I later found out what that was.

Speaking of that, anything you would like to say about working with a perfectionist like John Mellencamp?

John is very much an intense, hard worker and demands a lot from himself, and therefore, everyone... like a bad-ass football coach. It got real intense at times.

I was with John Mellencamp for seventeen years. I recorded and played live on all his records in that period. The year I left Mellencamp, I had already been on tour with Bob Seger for six and a half months, then I went on tour with Melissa Etheridge for three and a half months, and I also did twenty albums on my days off!

So clearly there was never a worry about your future once you left Mellencamp’s band!

On to the present... recently you have played the Kennedy Center Honors, where then-President George W. Bush was present, and then President Obama’s pre-inaugural concert. That’s pretty amazing! How was it to play for the incoming president at the Lincoln Memorial?

Dude! That was an intense and hard job being the drummer! Sixteen hour days, freezing cold... Work, work, work! Reading charts, rewriting, focusing hard and being able to give every artist what they needed. I had to be so spot on, counting off tunes, knowing who to count to, when to count and what the count of was. I ran the show. In TV, every second is valuable. It took a lot of focus in the cold, and a lot of focus to do my job with all the excitement and the meaning behind this event! I did get to meet the President. That was cool! (Big grin) The highlight for me was watching Obama give his speech with no teleprompter or notes! He is a bad-ass speaker. Wow!

As you’ve said, it was bitterly cold at that outdoor concert. How did that affect your playing? What does that kind of cold do to the drumheads and cymbals?

The cold made it really hard. I just had to do it. Like the Green Bay packers do in the play-offs in Green Bay! Focus, focus, focus! I had long underwear on and wore drum gloves. I had this tiny heater that could barely heat my fingernails! I was worried about the drum heads, but they obviously lasted!

You are one of the busiest session players in the business. Do you prefer working in the studio or touring on the road?

I like both, but I prefer to work in L.A. more now, with a mixture of studio and live playing. Then go out of town for big events. Live is great, but I love the studio, because that’s where you get to create the music.

You are just so passionate about playing music and it seems you’ll do anything to play as often as possible. You don’t appear to have an ego about whether a gig is with a major act or someone who is completely new to the music scene. What fuels your love and dedication to music?

That is correct! I am so in love with what I do and have so much passion for it. It's the way I enjoy my life every day. I didn't create me. I am me... and I don't understand why I am so passionate, but I am. I love it!

So tell me more about The Zep Set, this Zeppelin tribute act you’ve been playing with at clubs.

Besides playing the great Zeppelin tunes, we are really doing what Zeppelin did -- that is, improvising and jamming like them. The key is to listen to everyone 100% of the time. We play after midnight in this bar, the Cat Club. It’s great.


What’s next on your calendar?

I am finishing up a record with a Japanese artist, and then I play with Daryl Hall (of Hall & Oates) on Thursday with two of the remaining musicians from The Doors. Then I am doing some jingles (ads) for American Idol on Friday. I will also be recording with a young bad-ass female guitar player named Orianthi, from Australia. I fly to Zurich and then Detroit to play with Joe Cocker and then back to L.A. I will go out with Joe Cocker again for a three week tour, and then in May I am out with John Fogerty for three weeks in Canada. In between I do sessions and some drum clinics.

Do you EVER sleep? Seriously, do you ever have any down-time? Do you take vacations?

I don’t take vacations or have any down-time. For example, I don’t take two days off unless it works out that way. I will work every day on something or I won’t feel good. I need to accomplish something every day - it could be with music or working out or business. The bottom line is, I feel good when I accomplish something. Every day I am working toward a goal!


I know it’s dangerous to ask about favorites – as in, who was your favorite artist or band to play with --but can you comment on some of your best experiences as a musician? What about the worst? You don’t have to name names, but maybe just say why and how a gig can turn sour?

Working with John Fogerty and Jon Bon Jovi are my favorites because they are perfectionists, work hard, demand a lot, but are nice about it. They are the best at what they do and I like being around that level of musicianship. I won't talk about the bad experiences. I enjoy almost everyone I play with, but some stand out.


You were named the number one studio drummer AND the number one pop/rock drummer five years running by Modern Drummer Magazine. You have played with so many great artists, and been on thirty Grammy-winning albums. Other musicians revere you as a drummer’s drummer. Is there anything you have not accomplished in your career? Anything you still dream of doing?


I would love to experience playing with The Who or Eric Clapton, Queens of the Stone Age, Foo Fighters, or McCartney... for starters!


And with that, the hardest working drummer in show business is off to his next recording session...

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